Is it allowed to use OvertureMaps places data to add restaurants to OpenStreetMap?

[onnimonni]

Hey,

I went to a local restaurant here in Finland and I noticed that it doesn't exist at all in OSM.

I would want to add following OSM tags to it to help other people:

dog=outside
toilets=yes
toilets:position=seated
lunch=buffet
lunch:buffet=Mo-Fr 10:30-14
wheelchair=no
stroller=limited
changing_table=no

These tags are not supported in OvertureMaps and in order for me to add them I need to create the restaurant first into OSM.

Creating all of it manually feels like a wasted time and I thought that maybe I could use the already existing data in OvertureMaps to create it since this data anyway is there thanks to the restaurant owner adding it into Meta and thanks to Meta for sharing it back to the community 💪.

I created a demo tool: https://github.com/onnimonni/overture-to-osm which demostrates how I wish to use OvertureMaps.

Is this okay according to your license? Anything else you would want people like me to take in mind when adding items to OpenStreetMap?

I haven't yet added any places and I'm waiting to get some input from you. Thanks!

[danabauer]

Thanks for sharing this, @onnimonni. I'll take a look at your demo tool and get back to you.

[onnimonni]

Thanks a lot and no rush! It's very quick and rough demo and I'm willing to improve it but I thought that it's better to show something already at this point.

Especially in Finland the cafes/restaurants in OSM seem to be lagging very much behind and this would be very useful to avoid manually repeating the same information.

I'm in an understanding that the places dataset doesn't use any data from OSM so you probably will not conflate this in the near future.

But if you do want to conflate this data at some point in the future would it help to already populate the GERS id into certain OpenStreetMap tag at this point?

I imagine it would be useful to be easily able to get certain user provided information like wheelchair access or food allergies or child related things like highchair=yes, kids_area=no etc at some point in the future but again I have no idea where you are heading towards with the Overture.

It's just trivial to add eg ref:gers=f8c43900-53c5-4af7-9e77-db75027fccd6 in my case to the OSM changeset.

[sfkeller]

Dear @onnimonni

Interesting tool overture-to-osm (or overturetoosm?). And thanks for the initiative: After all, OSM is the largest crowdsourced project — and will remain so in the future. I am curious to see Overture's response to the integration of their Places data into OSM. This question will give an indication of how open Overture really is.

Please note, however, that some of the Overture Places data is of dubious quality (depending on the source) and may not meet OSM's quality standards.

Regarding GERS: I don't think it's a good idea to attach a GERS ID to OSM objects. Mapping GERS=>OSM-ID seems to me to be a matter for Overture and already exists for other themes as separate mapping tables.

P.S. I actually have another idea for you for a further improvement of the quality of Places/POIs in OSM: Find lists of e.g. finnish restaurants from original sources which comply with the OSM license. Write a spider for AllThePlaces (ATP) https://alltheplaces.xyz/spiders.html ! That would benefit everyone, OSM and whoever else. Then, for OSM, you would only have to extend Mateusz's code https://codeberg.org/matkoniecz/list_how_openstreetmap_can_be_improved_with_alltheplaces_data/src/branch/master/README.MD (aka “alltheplaces-to-osm”).

[onnimonni]

It's a nice idea and I appreciate your input. The restaurants generally here add their information to Google Maps and Facebook and that's it. I'm doing what I can so that the restaurant owners themselves would tag all of the information I mentioned above directly to the OSM but the UX to do that isn't very streamlined.

The Overture data has been very good quality for all of the restaurants in Finland I've checked so far and I try to avoid creating duplicates wherever I can. Of course this requires human intervention in between and this is what I intend to do too.

I would be happy if someone finds a way to achieve this with a spider to alltheplaces but it won't be me for the foreseeable future .

[sfkeller]

I'm doing what I can so that the restaurant owners themselves would tag all of the information I mentioned above directly to the OSM but the UX to do that isn't very streamlined.

Speaking about better UX in order to edit businesses in OSM, I assume you know MapComplete (https://mapcomplete.org) and "On OpenStreetMap" (https://www.onosm.org/) and OSMyBiz (https://osmybiz.osm.ch/ , edits currently not possible due to the login upgrade). And for mobiles there's EveryDoor (https://every-door.app) or Vespucci.

[onnimonni]

I'm aware of all of them but AFAIK not single one of them has a straightforward way where a non-tech savvy restaurant owner could add their information similiarly as Google Maps & Facebook has.

If there is one let me know and I'm happy to link that to local restaurant owners.

[sfkeller]

not single one of them has a straightforward way where a non-tech savvy restaurant owner could add their information similiarly as Google Maps & Facebook has.

I'll let you know when OSMyBiz has upgraded to the new OSM login.

P.S. I almost forgot to mention this because it's so simple: just right-click on OSM.org to leave a note, which will then be added by mappers.

[mprioleau]

Hi @onnimonni. The Overture Places data carries a CDLA Permissive 2.0 license. I would encourage you to review the license language but it is a permissive license. From Overture's perspective, the Places data can be ingested in to the OSM data. However, as part of the OSM data, the ingested data would then carry an ODbL license and would be subject to requirements of that license.
Our goal in choosing the CDLA Permissive 2.0 license for places data was to make a data set that could be used alone or in combination with any other data set. The challenges of building and maintaining an accurate, up-to-date global places data set are significant. Many developers resort to conflating data from multiple sources, typically with overlapping records, to get to their desired result. The CDLA license allows this data to be used with any other data set, whether that be open data from OSM, other open data or even proprietary data from commercial sources.
Thanks for the question. I hope that clarifies our intent. I'm glad the Overture data can be helpful to you.